Monday, May 01, 2006

What your Insurance Agent would never tell you

To begin with, let me cover some of the reason for writing this post.

I was in the midst of doing my insurance review, which is of course, prompted by an friend who is trying to sell insurance to me. It seems from the title then that this post is perhaps gonna be a negative report on insurance agent and the likes of it. But rest assured, there's no offence intended here. It is merely a factual comparison between term and life policies. I'm not even gonna mentioned the name of my agent or even his company. Everyone buys insurance at a certain point in life so i'm sure this would be useful.

The story goes like this:

I was about to purchase a 100K worth of insurance cover from this friend who just started out as an insurance agent when i happened to chance upon this SAF group insurance (term) thing. Upon performing some basic calculations using an excel spreadsheet, i came to the horrendous realisation that i would have gotten much more if i have just purchase the term insurance and investing the difference. It only came to my knowledge later that there is already a whole weath of literature on this issue but nonetheless, i still wish to share with readers of this blog what you could potentially have saved.

The main terms of both insurance are as follow:

Coverage: $100K of Death + $100K of Critical Illness.
Age of insured: 27

Premium of XXX Life Insurance: $2233 per annum
Premium of SAF Group Insurance: $ 312 per annum

Amount gotten back at age 60 for XXX Life Insurance: $94K
Amount gotten back at age 60 for SAF Group Insurance: $0

The coverage for both policies are more or less similar with only very subtle differences. It has to be so because with an identical policy, it would be very difficult for insurance agents to sell their products, although their punchline would probably be "different products cater to different needs" and theirs always cater to your needs... haha.

Jokes aside, suppose, i take the $1920 saved per annum to invest myself. And using a rate of return of just 5% per annum, the first 13 years of $1920 saved and reinvested over a time horizon of till age 60, one would also have gotten back $94k. Of course, the important differentiation here is that the $312 premium paid yearly goes down the drain should nothing happens, and in fact, one should be more than happy that it goes down the drain. I would be more than happy to give away this ($312 x 33) to Aviva (underwriter for the SAF group insurance). Many still can't get over the fact that the money cannot be recovered.
Simply think of term insurance this way: It is a Out-of -the-Money Put against your life, it is a cheap hedge which you hope you would never need to exercise. Cos if you do, it means something bad must have happened to you.
So using this super super conservative rate of return (5%) to calculcate and with the 33 years of $312 included, one would need just one more year (14years) of difference to more than breakeven with the life insurance. So, imagine the amount one could have saved if you add up all the 33 years of difference saved. And should one's ability to re-invest is more than the assumed rate of 5% here, the potential is even much greater. Suppose i reinvest using a super conservative ROI of 10%, one would breakeven with the XXX compnay life insurance with just 4 years of premium saved.
Of course, you insurnce agent would never tell you this cos if they do, then they'll literally have to eat shit. I'll like to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe, their training would only have them brainwashed that only life insurance is good to their clients and the other side of the coin is always bad. So, the next time your agent ask you to buy life policies, show them this calculation.......
I hope i wun be getting hate mails and death letters from any insurance agents for posting this article.

9 Comments:

Blogger HUAT AH !!! said...

Oh... btw, all male sporean who has been through army are eliglble for this group insurance, even though you may have ORDed. Better still, your spouse and child are also eligible for this policy.

More details can be checked at Aviva's website.

With so much promoting from me, maybe Aviva should consider giving me some commission....haha =P

4:14 PM  
Blogger DeWayne said...

Nice job brother!

This is a timely post. But you missed out something even more important in insurance and that is Critical illness and Hospitalisation insurance. Like they always say, what does not kill you bleeds your pockets and your loved ones' pockets. Those are the kind of insurance you should really look at.

You also missed another point about term insurance. Like you said it's a cheap out of the money Put on your life but you did not mention why you put this hedge in the first place. Eg. If I just bought a house and it's got a 800k loan on it and my wife is not working. The term insurance is that hedge. If there are no risk to your family and wife, then you should ditch the term or else you just kidding throwing money in the lonkang.

10:41 PM  
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10:46 PM  
Blogger DeWayne said...

Oh by the way,

Some insurance agents will tell you the truth though. Good ones at least. I've always entertain them so I've got a lot of experience with many. Now they can't cheat my money.

Amos is good. He's more a friend than an insurance agent. Plus he is always for maximising the client's money.

Plus you should read Genevive Cua column on BT. She also dissects the plethora of insurance plans very well

10:48 PM  
Blogger HUAT AH !!! said...

Yo bro, if you read carefully, Critical illness (CI) was covered in both da plans. It was 100k of death and 100k of CI.

Btw bro, there can be no circumstances where there is no RISK because your wife and child will always be there for you to feed even if you do not have a 800K house.... haha.

The only chance where you'll have no risk is when yr 800K house is all paid for and over & above that, you still have 8 billion worth of estate..... hehe

10:57 PM  
Blogger HUAT AH !!! said...

And also bro, i just love this concept of throwing money in the longkang this way and i really hope i'll be able to continue throw this until a ripe old age.... =)

It's amazing why people complains they never get the money back from their insurance. ;)

11:06 PM  
Blogger DeWayne said...

Yo bro, I have already read carefully already. I know you mentioned about the critical illness part.

I went to check the website and guess what I found. The critical illness part doubles every five years man. It gets more expensive as you age. Don't believe go and try out the age settings. I had my good Friend Amos who read out the brochure for me.

I think SAF Group can consider for term insurance on death and TPD. For the critical illness part, it's too costly and there are more cost effective plans.

You are always like to argue with me. Don't trust me meh? I always never give you lousy lobang less MMM.

11:07 PM  
Blogger Ah Kit said...

Hi, I am new and first time to this site. You can call me Ah Kit.

My little 2 cents outlook here regarding the decade-old debate on term vs. life insurance.

1. They both have a place in your planning (for different purpose).

2. The key is your take on risk and its probable occurance within a given time frame. Let me explain pt. 2 before pt. 1 is substantiated.

Suppose you are Male, age 25.
Your time frame: 25 - 65 yrs old
Cover needed (in year 2006):
$100,000 upon Death, or
$100,000 upon Disability, or
$100,000 upon Dread Disease.

Solution:
(A) Term Coverage: $100K each of the above.

Annual premium paid:
Age25-35:(192+120)X10yrs = $3120
Age36-40:(192+240)X5 yrs = $2160
Age41-45:(192+480)X5 yrs = $3360
Age46-50:(192+840)X5 yrs = $5160
Age51-55:(192+1440)X5yrs = $8160
Age56-60:(192+2040)X5yrs = $11160
Age61-65:(192+2880)X5yrs = $15360

Total paid: $48,480.

(B) Life Cover: $100K each of the above (with bonus added yearly and compounded)

Premium: $2575 fixed for 25 yrs.
Total premium paid: $64,375.

For $2575 first year, you get $100K protection.
ie, you pay 2.57 cents/100 cents

In ten years,
you pay 25.7 cents/ 100+37 cents,
ie 25.7 cents/ 137 cents

In 20 years,
you pay 51 cents/ 100+77 cents,
ie 51 cents/ 177 cents

In 25 years, (last year to pay)
you pay 64 cents/ 100+99 cents,
ie 64 cents/ 199 cents

At age 60, (in year 35)
you paid 64 cents/ 100+146 cents
ie 64 cents/ 246 cents

At age 65, (in year 40)
you paid 64 cents/ 100+171 cents
ie 64 cents/ 271 cents.

and still counting........

Okay... a little confused, right?
Let me explain.

My pt.2 means if you have a outlook that you are going to get a major illness, disability or death soon, get term plan.
Becos you pay as little as 0.312 for a 100 cents!!! (for 1st year)
and 0.624 cents for 100 cents (for 2nd year), and ......so forth.

Break it down to how much you might be willing to pay for a 100 cents each year, cumulated.

However, if you surpass age 65,

Term: $48,480 for $100,000 (48.48%)
Life: $64,375 for $271,102 (23.75%)

Kanna early, term wins.
Kanna later, life wins.

The truth may be in the middle.
A little balancing is good.

This is from the perspective of protection value.

Cash Value-wise:

Yes, I agree that some of you guys out there can get better returns on your own than what insurance company claim to offer (ie more that 3.75% pa). You really could be better off, you know, if you can achieve your own projected returns from the difference in premium saved.

You need to decide how much risk you want to transfer to insurance company and how much risk you want to absorb on your own.
The bottomline is that I know you guys are smart enough to buy insurance, and not self-insured now with your own money.

Term or life? Term cover ceased when you turn 65. So even got money also cannot buy. Boh liao, no more cover already. You are back to being own own insurance company and you self-insured.

If illness don't strike before 65, it will after 65. Not a matter of "if", but "when".

So, life plan covers you till age 100, but your premium liability stop at age 50 (in 25 years time).
That's how I got $64,375 as maximum cost of protection.

Don't get me wrong. I believe in both term and life, now or later,
kanna early or late.

I need them both.

One gives me large cover for a little cost in the early years; the other gives me permanent cover for decreasing cost and eventually no cost (after 25 years)

Why no cost?

If nothing bad happens at age 65,
you take back $147,476. (against premium paid for $64,375).
Hwah leh!

So to substantiate my pt.1,

Purpose-driven planning means:

For immediate high-cost occurences (like death/ disabilty), go for more term than life (not all term and no life hor).
For delayed events (illness) which is low-probable but sure occurred situations, go for more life than term.
You concern abt disability? Get large term now!!!
You concern abt illness later, get a modest life will do. It will grow and grow in cover with fixed cost, but cost can be recovered once the threat is over.

Do consider the above and plan according. You can do it!!!

Ah Kit

5:02 AM  
Blogger HUAT AH !!! said...

Hi Kit,

Thanks for the effort to reply my post. I knew i was in for some heated debate when i wrote this. But i do think such exchanges are very beneficial to everyone.

IMHO, the problem with insurance is that it is counter-intuitive:

You actually need more insurance when you are young (28 yrs old with a wife and kids + a new house + a new car probably) and it gets lesser as the years goes by when the car and house loans get paid up and as your kids finish education and eventually becomes financially independent.

Going by this, you require less and less life insurance as you age. You would probably need another kind of insurance by then: that of hospital and illness. Death is no longer an issue, not being able to die probably is.... haha. Like what they always say, "you can die but you cannot fall sick in singapore."

I agree that your points are valid in that you pay less as you age for the same amount of coverage. I do not refute that, but what i am trying to get accross is that the amount of returns gotten from that difference saved far outweighs everything (even with just a miserable 5% rate) such that even if you die, the estate from this difference re-invested is more than whatever coverage you can get.

So now the question lies not with the ability to re-invest that money. But rather, the discipline not to spend that amount saved every year (and to re-invest it) on vices and other white elephants.

With the above, i strongly urge people who are heavy spenders (who cannot stand having excess money in their banks and will always spend them) to have a greater portion of insurance in life insurance as compared to term. But to those who can invest and will do so, the converse is true.

As for me, i have only 100K of life insurance coverage and will probably make up the rest of the shortfall thru term plans.

1:27 AM  

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